I guess I don't agree, but it's possible.  I get the feeling if anyone is actually going to kill thanks in the next movie it will be one of the core avengers, unless it's a situation where thanos doesn't bother to fight back.

I guess I have a hard time seeing the final avengers movie ending with a guardians of the galaxy support character killing the main villain.

I also don't think nebula is anywhere near powerful enough to wield the gauntlet in the movies.  One stone nearly killed the entire gotg team by itself.

So it depends, right? If it's Thanos post snap I don't see him fighting back and while the audience might not know who Nebula is they did a good job building her up in the first movie as someone who has suffered under his hand and I think it is fitting with her overall arc given that since her first introduction she's been saying "I'm going to kill Thanos..." that she gets to do it.

THAT BEING SAID you are probably right about her being too weak to wield the gauntlet but I feel like the core avengers are gonna go back in time to resolve the threat. How far...I mean people have speculated they might go all the way back to the first Avengers movie based on leaks of Captain America's old costume. Then confront Thanos in his prime basically pre-Snap to undo everything.

The leak picture actually showed cap in his original costume in New York, with hulk and ant-man.  That makes me think some of them will end up reliving the battle of New York.
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Drax said it first.

I thought it was Ronan the Accuser. Didn't Ronan even give a "But for me, that was Tuesday" moment when Drax confronted him?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmw...ButForMeItWasTuesday

What is Captain Marvel's powerset?

Apparently nearly godlike according to Kevin Feige.  He said she is the most powerfulc character they've had in the movies so far.

Which is...a little annoying from a comic canon point of view, since that isn't the case in the comics, and their decision is being influenced by current social views.

But she has powers somewhat similar to silver surfer, doesn't she?  Energy powers, flight, near invulnerability.

In reply to gladiusdei (msg # 27):

Captain Marvel can fire energy beams, fly, and wields super strength, speed, and endurance. In the comics she's at least as powerful as the MCU iteration of Vision on a bad day, combined with military discipline, intelligence, and combat training.

Captain Marvel is a cosmic-level superhero. She led arguably the most powerful super hero team in recent Marvel history (the 2015 Ultimates) and regularly faced-off with powers that went even beyond what Thanos could bring to the table.

Saying that her power-level is being dictated by current social views and isn't comic canon is not accurate.

Assuming her presentation as a character is good in her stand-alone film, she's the perfect person to lead the next wave of heroes after this phase of the MCU is over. She's something like Captain America, but with a smattering of Superman's powers.

I meant it because they nerfed odin, Loki, Dr strange, and Thor considerably to fit them into the avengers.  All of whom would have been roughly comparable to captain marvel.  Then they went on social media and trumpeted how cool it was that the most powerful avenger would be a woman.

I don't really care, it just seemed like an odd way to shape the avengers.

Its also probably bias from me, since Thor and Dr strange are two of my favorite comic book characters, and I was disappointed with how weak they were portrayed until the most recent versions.

Thor's also my favorite character, hands down. My favorite version of him though is the old Ultimate Thor from fifteen years ago. That version was about as under-powered as the current MCU Thor is, so the relative power levels don't both me so much.

I just wish they would get away from the 'magic is technology' version of Asgard in the films and get back to the magic and myth that permeates the best Thor comics.

my favorites were the old pre-ragnarok versions, where his hammer could bash through a freight train from engine to tail or blow a hole in the midgard serpent.  That thor would have made fairly short work of Hulk, and probably taken out the entire Chitari army alone.  And Odin has usually been viewed as on par with the greatest celestials.

that's part of the reason why I loved Ragnarok.  it finally began to show him the way he was in the comics I loved.

I'm just a little worried that Captain marvel will have too big of a part in Avengers 4.  the audience hasn't even met her yet, so I really don't want her to overshadow the  other avengers on their last hurrah.

My guess is that the next Avengers movie will be a torch-passing for the main cast, especially given the disposition of the actors who play them. From a character development standpoint, I think it makes sense to introduce a powerful character who can demonstrate that the world is in good hands, allowing narrative room for others to step down. If I had to guess, Steve and Tony will be removed from the picture, either through death or retirement/injury, while Thor moves on to become the next All-father, with Stormbringer or a new Mjonr being passed to another worthy character of some sort. Possibly Valkyrie or a someone new.

I feel like the smart money will be for Marvel to experiment with investing in a new cast of mainline characters. Not replacing ALL of the old Avengers all at once, but testing the waters to see what they can get away with so that they don't have to spend so much money attempting keep an aging RDJ and a disinterested Chris Evans around.

I really, really doubt they will pass mjolnir on to anyone.  The whole multiple versions of thor thing is part of the reason why marvel comics are doing so much worse than their movies right now.


I honestly think avengers 4 will be the big last stand for the core avengers, not a pass off.  It's the last movie for Iron man, captain america, thor, and hulk, unless they change their contracts.  That also sort of pulls winter soldier, war machine, and falcon out of the movies too.

I think they're going to build movies around black panther, dr strange, spiderman, captain marvel, and then probably start introducing new movies with fantastic four and xmen properties.

I have really enjoyed the marvel movies so far, but I genuinely don't see a future avengers movie working at all without robert downy junior, chris evans, chris hemsworth, or Mark ruffalo.

I think they'll need to take a break from the avengers for a while after 4.

Oh, I agree.

But at the end of the day, Marvel is in the business to make money, and ditching the entire original cast outright would be a major risk. I definitely think a version of what you describe is in the cards, but I would be shocked if they did it all-at-once.

I think they'll just pull a Dr Who. The contact with the primary actors is running out, and they're about to reset everything. This is a great time to canonically let those roles lay fallow for a time while they focus on other roles, then bring in some new actors.

It will have to be a long time before they bring in new actors as the avengers.  And they've already stretched some of their contracts a lot longer than they initially planned.

Like 20 or so, so there is a whole new generation in their target audience.

but they're not going to reset everything.  Just conclude it.

I really think after avengers 4 we'll just get solo movies for a while, then maybe something like x-men or fantastic 4.

unless Taika manages to convince them to let him make another thor movie.  Which I'd love, but it probably doesn't fit into how they plan on ending avengers 4.
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Then again the original cast has become huge and is being paid mucho dinero. Can reset with new cast members at a fraction of the costs.

From an ROI perspective, Black Panther beats out Avengers 1 which was an ensemble cast, Spiderman: Homecoming beat out Guardians of the Galaxy 1...

I guess my point is that each new movie, for the most part, is doing better then the last. Marvel is establishing themselves as a consistent treat for moviegoers so as they expand to the unknown and especially as they start cracking open the movie demographics beyond the coveted "white male 18-35" bracket it is easy to consider the the future wave as Spiderman, Black Panther, Captain Marvel and Doctor Strange.


On a side note...it's crazy the longevity actors and actresses are having in these roles.
Sean connery was really only Bond for 5 years with a couple call backs. Roger Moore was Bond for 12 years but arguably was over a low period of the series.

Batmans were rotated out every couple of years. It was almost a tradition for a new batman every movie.

Christopher Reeves was Superman for 9 years...


Anyway, now look at what we have:
HJ Wolverine - 17 years!
RDJ Iron Man - 10+ years
SJ Black Widow - 8+ years
CH Thor - 7+ years
CE Captain America - 7+ years
TH Loki - 7+ years

I mean...especially for one franchise to keep a main case around is incredible...
CE Captain America - 7+ years
SJ Nick Fury - 10+ years

you're right, but the downside is the new cast members will have a hard time matching the charisma of the original cast.

I liked black panther, but Chadwick Boseman can't carry a movie like Robert Downey jr or Chris Evans, or Chris Hemsworth.  or Chris Pratt.  I actually thought Okoye was a more engaging presence on screen than he was.  or Killmonger, to me at least.

Cumberbatch was pretty good at carrying a movie, and Tom Holland can.  Time will tell for Captain Marvel.  But once you lose the avengers and then the gotg, marvel is definitely lacking in the leading character department compared to right now.

They'll need to find some good new actors to play new characters.   The funny thing is, they've fit so many big names in the marvel movies so far, they might actually have a hard time finding actors for the new roles.

There are so many 'franchises' and 'alternate avenger' teams that can be utilized...

The Fantastic Four could easily be developed with the cosmic direction marvel is going.

The New Warriors

How about The Defenders...Dr Strange, Hulk, Valkyrie? Plus a few new heroes.

How about Young Avengers?

Then if you went with the Avengers...
Hercules, Wasp, She-Hulk, Capt Marvel,

They have to balance them with characters people can get excited about.  A lot of those ideas don't have them.  And characters like one-time will just come across as repeats of earlier characters.  That won't sell as well in a movie as it has in the comics.

Think that's why fantastic 4 has never done well.  The characters just don't translate well to a real world movie,  particularly Mr fantastic.

See I disagree with that one. Personally I lived both the first two movies except for Dr Doom. That's where they dropped the ball. (And how Galactus was portrayed)

I think the FF translates well...and with Marvel at the helm will be done right.

And yes ..a young avengers movie with hulkling, Patriot, stature, a new Hawkeye, iron lad, Vision......a nod to the past would draw folks in.

It's the script that would make or break it

I guess we can agree to disagree.  I don't think a revamp of the avengers would sell well as a movie at all.


F4 may work if they combine them with other characters, so the focus isn't an origin story once again.

Its going to be interesting to see how they handle owning the xmen copyright now.  Whether they'd try to reboot it all, or go in a different direction.  Especially since dark phoenix is still   coming out.

Remember...Chris Evans was also Johnny Storm in the Fantastic 4 and Fantastic 4: Silver Surfer.

But they made a movie between those and now with Erik killmonger (Michael b Jordan) as torch.

They'll definitely distance themselves from those previous movies.

Yeah, I'm totally not thinking of a revamp of the Avengers...more a continuation. I think there's a few good avengers stories to be told yet. And we don't need all the originals to do so. Rdj could step down and maybe only have cameos fir a short time. Chris Evans could fade out Thor could still be around a couple times...Hulk could still be around...

Black widow and Hawkeye, scarlet witch, falcon, war machine, black panther, Spider-Man...all can still hold the avengers together. Add wasp taking over leadership (she did in the comics) Capt Marvel. Ant man,

I'd like to see Kree-Skrull war, Secret Invasion, Korvac Saga, Nights of Wundagore, The Kang Dynasty.


Now The Young Avengers aren't a reboot at all...but a legacy.


For the FF...we could see Annihilus introduced with a lead in to The Annihilation Wave.