horus
 member, 691 posts
 Wayfarer of the
 Western Wastes
Tue 16 Apr 2019
at 06:50
Notre Dame de Paris
My heart weeps for the people of Paris in this dark time.  Reading of the news of the fire at Notre Dame de Paris I could not help but shed tears:  the cathedral took over two centuries and thousands of craftsmen to build, and was adorned with some of the most priceless art and iconography in the world, all in sublime expression of love for Deity.  More, regardless of one's faith or lack thereof, none who have visited Our Lady of Paris have failed to be moved by her.  Such was her power to inspire the world.

She withstood the French Revolution (including the Reign of Terror), and two world wars, standing for over eight hundred fifty years as a beautiful testament to the people of Paris and the entire world.  The fire consumed the greater part of the wood in her structure in just over an hour.  It is a stab through the heart of humanity.
OceanLake
 member, 1068 posts
Tue 16 Apr 2019
at 07:06
Notre Dame de Paris
Then may the heart of humanity rebuild it.
tibiotarsus
 member, 38 posts
 Hopepunk with a shovel
Tue 16 Apr 2019
at 07:27
Notre Dame de Paris
I'm still pretty numb, trying to grasp that it's gone...yes, a lot of the facing was Viollet le Duc additions and the internal art is safe, but the windows. We can make copies, for sure, if funding can be settled and a little off-colour since there's techniques we've lost over time, but we'll never get the ones mediaeval people set as acts of worship back; the prayers and craft of the pious dead are gone to sheer bad luck, and that is sad. I feel for Parisians and those ghosts, both. Rebuilding will take a long time.
DarkLightHitomi
 member, 1523 posts
Tue 16 Apr 2019
at 07:51
Notre Dame de Paris
They say accident, but I'm not certain I agree. It started mere minutes after closing? Not to mention all the religious troubles in the world. I would be very surprised if it was merely an accident, and not some jihadist making a statement.
tibiotarsus
 member, 39 posts
 Hopepunk with a shovel
Tue 16 Apr 2019
at 08:17
Notre Dame de Paris
Look mate, Europeans, especially the French, aren't in the habit of concealing terrorist attacks, nor do jihadis let everyone out of a building before bombing it. Don't hijack a sad thing to help terrorists spread suspicion and seed hatred among Abrahamic neighbors, that's not cool.
bigbadron
 moderator, 15717 posts
 He's big, he's bad,
 but mostly he's Ron.
Tue 16 Apr 2019
at 09:41
Notre Dame de Paris
Please also bear in mind that whether or not this fire is the result of a terrorist attack, as well as the political/religious agenda of whichever group may (or may not) have been responsible, lay beyond the boundaries of permitted discussion in RPoL's public forums.
praguepride
 member, 1380 posts
 "Hugs for the Hugs God!"
 - Warhammer Fluffy-K
Tue 16 Apr 2019
at 12:19
Notre Dame de Paris
Most likely it was an accident from the reconstruction process. A faulty generator, a misplaced cigarette etc. Occams Razor would point that way until more evidence is presented. Beyond that attributing this to specific groups for nefarious agendas is very harmful speculation.
Dream Sequence
 member, 36 posts
Tue 16 Apr 2019
at 12:31
Notre Dame de Paris
I wouldn't have been horribly surprised if it had turned out to be a deliberate act of terrorism, but the news I'm seeing all says the investigators and authorities on site are reporting that the evidence doesn't point to intentional arson.
praguepride
 member, 1381 posts
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 - Warhammer Fluffy-K
Tue 16 Apr 2019
at 13:05
Notre Dame de Paris
In times like this it is natural to jump towards the worst conclusions but my advice is to remember Hanlon's Razor:

quote:
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."



When you realize that most things in life are dumb mistakes and not some dark conspiracy then it helps realize what a wonderful place and time we live in.
horus
 member, 692 posts
 Wayfarer of the
 Western Wastes
Tue 16 Apr 2019
at 13:07
Re: Notre Dame de Paris
OceanLake:
Then may the heart of humanity rebuild it.

Yes.  Only the heart of humanity can rebuild it.
azzuri
 member, 403 posts
Tue 16 Apr 2019
at 13:42
Re: Notre Dame de Paris
Occam's razor: a careless worker had used a heat source too near a combustible, didn't realize what he'd done, it smoldered for a time then burst into flame, which became a conflagration.

This message was last edited by the user at 13:43, Tue 16 Apr.

CaesarCV
 member, 360 posts
Tue 16 Apr 2019
at 13:50
Re: Notre Dame de Paris
I tend to agree with the Occam's razor interpretation, it's simpler than arson and tracks pretty well with the fact that there was construction work. I could be wrong and it could turn out to be Arson, but right now the evidence doesn't point there.

Either way the (thankfully far from complete) damage is a travesty.

This message was last edited by the user at 14:56, Tue 16 Apr.

Ameena
 member, 199 posts
Tue 16 Apr 2019
at 14:51
Re: Notre Dame de Paris
While it's certainly sad that such an old and iconic building has been so badly damaged, at least a decent part of it is still standing, the stonework seems fine. And as far as I'm aware there was one firefighter injured and that's it - at least it was no Grenfell Tower...
praguepride
 member, 1382 posts
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Wed 17 Apr 2019
at 02:16
Re: Notre Dame de Paris
From reports that I've read most of Notre Dame was untouched by the fire. The building is made of stone and what caught fire was the wooden beams of the roof and the scaffolding that had been erected as part of the repairs.

Notre Dame lost its spire but the bell towers, stained glass remain intact as well as the artifacts within had mostly been removed to accommodate the renovations.

From Washington Post:

quote:
As the smoke cleared from the sky Tuesday, it was almost possible to look head-on at the church — to see its carved statues and two rectangular bell towers — and imagine that all was intact. Much of the valuable art and relics had been saved. Even the exquisite stained glass windows remained in place, seemingly immune to the previous day’s flames.

But that belied the somber accounting of all that had been lost, and how the religious and architectural landmark at Paris’s center had been altered. The church’s trademark steeple, part of the Parisian skyline since the mid-1800s, had been swallowed in the flames. Char and smoke marks licked portions of the walls. And the roof — with its centuries-old wood — had been destroyed like tinder, leaving gaping holes that let sunlight shine into the cathedral Tuesday.


edit: I've just looked at several pictures that show the intact stained glass windows. and roses.

This message was last edited by the user at 02:18, Wed 17 Apr.

azzuri
 member, 404 posts
Wed 17 Apr 2019
at 03:16
Re: Notre Dame de Paris
The steeple had 250 tons of lead. Imagine that.