Hunter
 member, 1810 posts
 Captain Oblivious!
 Lurker
Tue 12 Jul 2022
at 20:48
is PbP done as a main stream medium?
In reply to SunRuanEr (msg # 4):

Yeah, summer lull makes sense.  I've lost my sense of time/seasons since I've been on disability; so I guess I should have figured it was something like that.
1492
 member, 37 posts
 I like monkeys
Tue 12 Jul 2022
at 21:08
is PbP done as a main stream medium?
I can only speak for myself. I've played tabletop for 40 years and had never even heard of PbP until about six months ago. Since then I've joined this site, am playing in five very active games, and getting ready to start one of my own. So the site, and the pastime, is alive and well in some quarters.
evileeyore
 member, 707 posts
 GURPS GM and Player
 Joined 20150819
Tue 12 Jul 2022
at 21:41
is PbP done as a main stream medium?
Smoot:
Was PBP ever really "Mainstream"?

No, we few, we typing few, are the outliers.
donsr
 member, 2625 posts
Tue 12 Jul 2022
at 21:59
is PbP done as a main stream medium?
I am an older player.. it took  me and my brother years  for find a 'real DM"  that lasted  about 2  years, i ended up  GMing a campaign  using SAdvanced Wizard and  Advanced  Wizrd  as  our  system, and we never looked back.

 but? there wasn't  anyone who played?.. I   played football and  in softball league s Bowled  ect ect..no one admit they game there... My Kids learned to play, but they moved on as well.

 This is the place  to have the best gaming... no 'wondering who is going to show up"..don't have to worry if you 'stay too long"

 you can jump i  any time of day to make a post... people will come as they, too, run out of RL  FTF games.
CaptainHellrazor
 member, 265 posts
Wed 13 Jul 2022
at 01:12
is PbP done as a main stream medium?
For me play-by-post is about time zones.  Discord, Roll20 etc everyone has to be online at the same time.  Most of my players on RPoL are in different continents which makes any kind of real time chat options useless, PbP you can log in and post anytime you want.  I have bigger playing groups here than I would in a face to face or real time format.
evileeyore
 member, 708 posts
 GURPS GM and Player
 Joined 20150819
Wed 13 Jul 2022
at 03:00
is PbP done as a main stream medium?
CaptainHellrazor:
For me play-by-post is about time zones.

For me it's that I can spend 30 minutes a day updating the games I play in instead of finding a four-six hour block the same day every week, with everyone else in the game.

Or sometimes update while I'm working!  Now that's efficient time usage!  Being paid to play.
facemaker329
 member, 7407 posts
 Gaming for over 40
 years, and counting!
Wed 13 Jul 2022
at 04:42
is PbP done as a main stream medium?
I think I see one of these threads at least once a year...

The answer is yes and no, depending on who you ask.  But, more directly, radio didn't die with MTV starting up in the 80s, despite many predicting that would happen.  The rise of Amazon still hasn't resulted in the demise of brick-and-mortar outlets.  Despite their best efforts, streaming services haven't killed off movie theaters.  Neither did home video, decades earlier...

And while there are other options for role-playing online...newer, fancier, shinier...they still don't function in the same way RPOL does, which means that a significant percentage of RPOL users aren't interested in them, for a variety of reasons (several of which have already been listed.)

New technology and new applications of existing technology keep coming along.  Every few years, there's a hue and cry about how this latest development is going to be the demise of some other tech/application/whatever...and while it invariably has a significant impact on the older one, rarely does it actually succeed in killing it altogether.  I mean, the closest thing I can think of is cell phones...but we still have landlines in place.  You can even, on rare occasions, stumble across a payphone.

If I had a dollar for every time I heard someone ask if some form of tech/lifestyle/etc was dying or dead, only for it to last years or even decades beyond that question, I would have been able to buy a house a long time ago, rather than still renting...
Sir Swindle
 member, 332 posts
Wed 13 Jul 2022
at 12:20
Re: is PbP done as a main stream medium?
Hunter:
a decrease in GM wanted as well.

Ideally this is just people getting wise to the fact that they are just screaming hopelessly into the void.
ladysharlyne
 subscriber, 3409 posts
 Member before Oct 2005
 Creative Writing ROCKS!!
Wed 13 Jul 2022
at 16:52
is PbP done as a main stream medium?
Hello!  I am a well aged GM of freeform games.  I can say after around 17 yrs of being here and GMing games that there are lulls as others gave said above.  To me personally and only my opinion, Discord is one thing drawing players away.  I have had players do the rude disappearing with no word to the Gm they are leaving.  Only to see them actively playing games on Discord.  But then to each their own if course and someone else will sing its praises!

There are other types if PBP sites too which if you play multiple characters you have to create a login different for each one and log in and out.  I know because I belong to one.  Guess what?  It has tge same lulls in posting at holidays, term exams, and Summer.  In these times families do more together and thatís wonderful!

What I as Freeform GM am seeing in my RTJs and new players though is higher quality writers and I live this trend!  My players are all golden to me and they tell me when they are going to be away.  I see them taking family time this time of year.  Great Stuff!

But the lulls can be depressing when you are waiting to pist.  I know this.  All you can do is keep checking I guess.  The frustrating part is when someone doesnít tell you then they just disappear.  You deleted them cause you think they ghosted you and 5 months give or take the Rmail you with an apology and want back inÖ.  What would you do??  They caused a lull with their walkabouts!
donsr
 member, 2626 posts
Wed 13 Jul 2022
at 17:32
is PbP done as a main stream medium?
GMs wanted...to me..is  just 'Players wanted' from the other  view point.

as far as Lady said  about Lulls?  I might not get a RTJ  for   my space game  for  a month or two..and  get one from someone who would  not fit the  game. ( i feel responsible to bring in players that will mesh with others)

 then? suddenly i may get  3 in a week...2 of them great?.. and  1 of them stays the course.

 Heck? I don;'t mind folks 'trying it out"..as long as they are up front  when they leave, by  letting us  know, rather then slip out a window!

Facemaker  says it well... there  seems to be a cycle when a thread like this will start.

 To me?  this is the best of RP worlds. I have players from all over the world, they post when they are able  and   the games  keep moving along..sometimes  we slow because of RL issues. but that happens in Table top as well.

 Lady?... for your last bit there  about  players ghosting... I have, somehting like 5 players  , who are being ravaged  by RL.. i keep them in the back round , until they came   step up.

 I had  folks rage quit...yeah? they aren't coming back

 I have had   folks who  couldn't   post because of , very bad  RL  things, who have   people  , nit even from my game, reach out to me..Yeah!..that player is  going to be welcomed  back..others  who just walk away? they won't be back , unless i really liked the character...

Lulls, such..GMs  can   push the game along,  take control of some   situtaions, even NPC folks for battles...
NowhereMan
 member, 481 posts
Wed 13 Jul 2022
at 19:19
is PbP done as a main stream medium?
Sir Swindle:
Ideally this is just people getting wise to the fact that they are just screaming hopelessly into the void.


Funny, I've never had any trouble getting a GM from my Wanted - GMs ads.
Lauriebear
 member, 82 posts
 There is no truth. There
 is only perception
Mon 22 Aug 2022
at 16:06
Re: is PbP done as a main stream medium?
bazhsw:
I think it ebbs and flows.



I think you summed this up perfectly (and the summer lull, I had 5 players all out on vacations and what have you for the past like six weeks, I myself went away with family).  I'll add that this time of year it is hard to post when all I want to be is outside either on the beach or hiking or something.  That's for me, but come about the return to school and it all seems to quite down.  Posting and playing is a welcomed break so to speak.
donsr
 member, 2657 posts
Mon 22 Aug 2022
at 16:15
Re: is PbP done as a main stream medium?
::chuckles:: alot has to do with the film and TV industry as well.

I developed my games  from, Movies, books, TV shows, and   things i did as a kid, as far  as using  my army guys, or  miniatures  ectect

everytime a   new  Genre movie pops up..we see a swell in that type of game.

  MCU?..heroes all over the place.

  SCI-FI shows and Movuies.. lots of sci fi

  wait until MArch when the D&D movie hits?... tons of fantasy games will hit the board

 the ebb and Flow is on  players and  GMs... how long will players stay in a game?... and how long  before a GM wants to try something  'new"... either of these, hurts the PBP thing.... I have said many times, i  won't even check out  a game that has  too many deleted games..or , even too many active games?.. I know from my point of view.. i have more time then most?..and 3 games to  run, and a few to play in, is  enough for me.

 as long as there are folks out there  who  are loyal to the site, we'll be fine.
GreenTongue
 member, 1124 posts
 Game Archaeologist
Mon 22 Aug 2022
at 17:43
Re: is PbP done as a main stream medium?
While the trend may be away from the PbP format, there are a Lot of people in the target market. There will be "enough" for quite a while still.
Yaztromo
 supporter, 486 posts
Mon 22 Aug 2022
at 17:51
Re: is PbP done as a main stream medium?
I agree that in time I have seen the activity slowly decline on this site, especially if you don't play.run D&D5e... it's OK. I never really made an effort to be mainstream.
Mad Mick
 member, 1026 posts
 GURPS beyond measure,
 outlander
Mon 22 Aug 2022
at 17:57
Re: is PbP done as a main stream medium?
Yeah, Discord seems to be more attractive for younger and newer players. One PBEM GM I know has transitioned completely to Discord.

However, TTRPGs seem to be growing in popularity, and as more people get into the hobby, more will likely join PBP games.
ladysharlyne
 subscriber, 3426 posts
 Member before Oct 2005
 Creative Writing ROCKS!!
Mon 22 Aug 2022
at 18:54
is PbP done as a main stream medium?
I donít know where RPol is advertised on the World Wide Web except for stumbling on it by searching Ďroleplay games on lineí.  I have tried on a couple of game advertisement sites.

I have finally learned to use my phone to post and this new RPol site works for me.  I go to my PC or laptop for more intricate things like game maps, images, etc.  but I only use Discord to contact my players when I need to talk or search for them.  I used to play in Yahoo and Aol chat rooms back in the day.  I then moved on to game sites like Age of Ashes, etc.  then there was Bebo, My Space roleplay, Fandomain etc, but what I hate about those sites is that for every single character you have to make a sign in email.

One day I stumbled onto here around 20 years ago.  WHAT! Just one log in for the site!  FANTASTIC!  How long has this site been around now?  We are doing it right my friends.  Sure there us a lull at times.  Sure there are times it gets too fast paced and some people struggle to keep up and lose interest.  Some people just find other things to spend their spare time on and move on.  But those that love to write and play PBP stay unless their lives get to hectic.  Sometimes they even return.

Summer lull, Exam lull, Holiday lull or call it whatever, it has and always will happen.  No matter what style of games you play or run.  Itís human nature.  Stuff happens to all of us.  But this site goes on.

Now I keep reading how players are put off by a GM running too many active games or have too many deleted games.  If a player can handle GMing multiple games then that gives players an opportunity to play in a game they might like.

Never should a GM be afraid to create a game idea to try and see if there is interest.  Never should a GM be shunned because they did this and for some reason it didnít take off so they delete the game until maybe another time.  Players should read what the game is about and if they like the setting then try it based on what THAT game is about NOT the number count of games the GM already has, NOT about the amount of characters are in the game, NOT about how many times a GM has sadly deleted a game due to lack of interest!  Your Character is as important to any game as anyone elseís.  You add to the richness of the story.

Yes, GMs need to discuss and talk to the players telling them that it isnít going well and deleting due to lack of interest before they delete.  But again! Players trying a game should have the decency to tell a GM that they are not happy in a polite way and leave NOT just disappear leaving the GM AND the other players hanging in storylines.

This goes for everyone and ALL styles of games.  Yes, I feel we are mainstream but this site needís to be advertised more online.  Yes there are ebbs and tides, lulls and fast paced games all the time.
1492
 member, 50 posts
 I like monkeys
Mon 22 Aug 2022
at 19:14
is PbP done as a main stream medium?
I've said it before (even in this thread) but just to reiterate, there are countless gamers who have never heard of PbP in general, much less RPoL specifically. Even though it's been around for a good while, I think we are likely to see a surge in popularity in this format given (a) the high demand for RPG's, and (b) how hard it is to form and sustain a table-top campaign these days.

Maybe advertising would help. I don't know. I would encourage everyone here to mention PbP and RPoL to their friends in the gaming community, whenever the opportunity presents, just in case someone may not be aware. I am here only because someone mentioned it in the comments section of a gaming blog called Grognardia. And I will be forever indebted.
Radnoff
 member, 96 posts
Mon 22 Aug 2022
at 20:48
Re: is PbP done as a main stream medium?
1492:
I am here only because someone mentioned it in the comments section of a gaming blog called Grognardia. And I will be forever indebted.


Whoever did that is a real cool guy  :P
1492
 member, 51 posts
 I like monkeys
Mon 22 Aug 2022
at 22:53
Re: is PbP done as a main stream medium?
In reply to Radnoff (msg # 23):

Ha! BTW- I thanked you both here and there (and mentioned you by name), but don't ask me where to find those posts now. So let this be the official one. Very grateful, my friend.
evileeyore
 member, 715 posts
 GURPS GM and Player
 Joined 20150819
Mon 22 Aug 2022
at 23:29
is PbP done as a main stream medium?
1492:
Maybe advertising would help.

To what end?

This isn't a commercial endeavor for jase (as far as I understand), so hustling to grow the Player base really doesn't help his bottom line.  Word of mouth brings in as many as I've seen leave (granted my view is extremely limited not seeing the backend).

Expanded diversity might be nice...
1492
 member, 52 posts
 I like monkeys
Mon 22 Aug 2022
at 23:39
is PbP done as a main stream medium?
In reply to evileeyore (msg # 25):

First, you didn't quote my full statement.

1492:
Maybe advertising would help. I don't know.

Second, it wasn't even my suggestion. I was responding to Lady Sharlyne.

ladysharlyne:
I feel we are mainstream but this site needs to be advertised more online.

This message was last edited by the user at 23:54, Mon 22 Aug.

Hunter
 member, 1830 posts
 Captain Oblivious!
 Lurker
Tue 23 Aug 2022
at 00:38
is PbP done as a main stream medium?
In reply to ladysharlyne (msg # 21):

If a player has sufficient interest in the game, they'll stay involved; irregardless of how real life is treating them.   I've had players going through all sorts of real life issues yet choose to stay in the game anyways.

Being disabled myself, I understand why someone might feel uncomfortable speaking up.   Either in regards to leaving or to closing a game.   Sometimes, it's just easier to not say anything and simply disappear; rather than facing a circumstance that we'd rather not.

I struggle with real life myself.  It's not just the autism or the bipolar depression: sometimes just the everyday is just too much.  I've still got more game ideas, but they're probably not going to see the light of day.   I've got character concepts that fall into the same situation; either because they (and/or the system) are simply too esoteric.

RPOL is and has been a good place; because of the work of Jase and others.  I've been here for a very long time, since close to when the site opened.  And even if I put everything else aside, this is one place I'll always feel comfortable.
facemaker329
 member, 7412 posts
 Gaming for over 40
 years, and counting!
Tue 23 Aug 2022
at 03:59
is PbP done as a main stream medium?
I'm sure it's been said numerous times already, but I don't think PbP has ever been a main stream medium.  It's always existed to fit the needs/wants of a niche market...gamers who want to play, but who either lack the local contacts to set up a group or whose schedules don't allow for 'regular' gaming (or both).

That niche isn't quite as broad as it used to be, thanks to Discord and similar options...but even though I've been in several games on here that used Discord as part of their gameplay, I've never utilized it.  Discord requires coordinating schedules with other players, and my schedule is erratic during good weeks and nigh impossible during bad ones.  People like me will stick with PbP for the simple fact that nothing else fits our needs for a gaming fix.  As long as that niche exists, PbP will exist in some form (since RPOL seems to do a far superior job, as far as 'scratching the itch' to play, compared to other sites, I suspect it will be the preferred form of PbP for a long, long time to come.)
evileeyore
 member, 716 posts
 GURPS GM and Player
 Joined 20150819
Tue 23 Aug 2022
at 04:36
is PbP done as a main stream medium?
facemaker329:
That niche isn't quite as broad as it used to be, thanks to Discord and similar options...

Honestly, we've had chat almost as long as we've had Play-by-Post (Play-by-Mail admittedly predates it by a bit), so I doubt Discord has had any impact at all.  All Discord has done is usurp the prior preferred text/voice chat setups, which go all the way back to IRC in '88.