So I love making pathfinder characters in my free time and does anyone have types on how to make OP characters?

Mythic Tristalt level 30 with 50 points buy?

You can’t really go wrong there.

Level 1 character with level 20 gear.

Also, anything high level that's both mythic and gestalt.

Ha! What about a normal first level character?

3rd-party stuff? There are some ridiculously broken things out there.

All that to say, you’d have to be a bit more specific with your question. Including what you mean by OP and in what circumstances.
But class tier lists exist for a reason so you can start with that and the usual suspects. Clerics, Wizards, etc.

So I want to make a 1st level rogue any race. And I need help to find out how to make him VERY powerful at first level.

In reply to glaxton (msg # 6):

if you just want to do a power build there are a bunch of websites that will show you how to set the attributes, choose skills, feats, and abilities within the rules as written.

If you want more than that I think you're looking at homebrew rules that give you higher attributes, more feats and more equipment... or cheating.

I'm going to be the DM of the game so if I do cheat then the player wont know. But I wont cheat.

In reply to glaxton (msg # 8):

then if you do mean VERY powerful then I think you'll need to homebrew it. Any reason why you'd make it 1st level though? The only thing that really does is limit skills and hit points. Why not just make them 10th level?

Build it as classless. That'll make it pretty powerful as long as you know what you want to focus on.

Want 3d6 sneak? Legal
How about running up walls? Legal
Include Martial Arts and now you have skills going towards some handy powers.

As mentioned though, plenty of optimization boards out there. Though, your 'powerful' is pretty vague. What do you want to accomplish with the character? Level 1 is pretty limited. You need more levels if you truly want anything to appear powerful.

According to ChatGPT this is the most powerful 1st level build:

Race: Half-Elf
Class: Sorcerer (Undead bloodline)
Ability Scores:

    Strength: 8
    Dexterity: 14
    Constitution: 14
    Intelligence: 10
    Wisdom: 10
    Charisma: 18

Skills:

    Knowledge (arcana)
    Spellcraft
    Use Magic Device

Feats:

    Spell Focus (Necromancy)
    Toughness

Spells:

    Ray of Enfeeblement
    Cause Fear
    Mage Armor

Equipment:

    Wand of Magic Missile
    Light Crossbow with 20 bolts
    Leather Armor
    Backpack, bedroll, rations, water skin, flint and steel, torches




Honestly...it's not terrible. A focus on Cause Fear at 1st level when you're mostly facing things with weak Will saves...yeah it probably could waltz through an early adventure. The equipment is a bit off but hey, give it credit because it doesn't actually know how to play Pathfinder :D

I got a less specific reply back ("it's all in the wrist") but #2 on the list was this



So that starts to answer the OP's question through a completely coventional build. I'd never play a halfling since I'm short enough as it is.

Wand of Fireballs, 225 gold per charge.   Take the Rich Parents or Chosen Child trait.

I feel like a character build around 1-2 charges of a Wand of Fireballs becomes a "Thermal Detonator in Return of the Jedi" situation where you just intimidate the enemy with the threat of nuking everyone.

For 270gp/charge that's 6d6 fireball. Almost nothing at 1st level walking away from that even if they pass the reflex save.

Be the GM.

Spheres of Power
Equipment Sphere: CT Dagger Bravo, CT Finesse Training (Dex->damage)
Gladiator Sphere ( Boast, Cause Fear)
Race: Monkey Goblin (+4 Dex, Natural Climb)

Unchained Rogue

Trait: Blades of Mercy

Feat:Enforcer

Sneak attacks that do heavy nonlethal damage AND makes your targets Shaken for multiple rounds.
This message was last edited by the user at 05:11, Fri 10 Mar 2023.

In reply to glaxton (msg # 6):

Powerful in what ways, exactly?

You’re building a rogue so do you want to be a powerful sneak/stealer? A powerful sneak attacker? A melee fighter? A sniper?  Magically capable? All are easily possible with archetypes and each involves a very different build process. Also “min-maxing” at first level isn’t something that you can easily do since there aren’t a lot of customization options available to you.

What stats are you working with? What races were you considering?