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COMMENT THREAD 2.

Posted by HeathFor group 0
Heath
GM, 3489 posts
Thu 30 Jun 2011
at 23:25
  • msg #15

Re: COMMENT THREAD 2

But the dwarf is extending an olive branch to the party.  Also, if Grizz leaves the attack, he is subject to an attack of opportunity by the demon.

You're also viewing this from a metagaming perspective.  In reality, you don't know that the demon is only attacking the dwarf to Grizz's exclusion.  You just see the dwarf and Grizz engaging it, particularly since Adaran and Borimer have been focused on the flying demons and not particularly watching what is going on.
Adaran Swiftshadow
player, 2551 posts
THAC0: 17 Melee/12 Ranged
AC: 4 (Dex, Leather)
Thu 30 Jun 2011
at 23:44
  • msg #16

Re: COMMENT THREAD 2

I take issue with you saying I'm viewing things from a metagaming perspective. I'm not. The soulfeeder and the dwarf have been engaged in one-on-one combat for a number of rounds now. Grizz took it upon himself to attack the soulfeeder when he didn't have to, and anyone looking in that direction can plainly see that the soulfeeder has just been focusing on the dwarf all this time. So let's drop the "metagaming" label.

As for the dwarf's olive branch, he pointedly ignored Kahan's offer to team up against the demons just moments ago and his pal went ahead and sliced Grung's arm from behind, but I guess having their powerful mage ally dead makes them a little more inclined to appeal to our sense of mercy. ;) So Adaran's not too interested in saving the poor, severely outnumbered dwarf at this point. :)
This message was last edited by the player at 23:58, Thu 30 June 2011.
Kahan Singh
player, 914 posts
Fri 1 Jul 2011
at 02:20
  • msg #17

Re: COMMENT THREAD 2

Adaran Swiftshadow:
I'm not sure why Grizz is bothering with the soulfeeder in the first place, since it's attacking the dwarf. Adaran hasn't exactly "left him with a hostile demon". Just for the record. ;)


I would just like to ask that Adaran stop making these out of character comments about how people are playing their characters. Personally I find them just as offensive as he does when people say he's metagaming.
Kahan Singh
player, 916 posts
Fri 1 Jul 2011
at 02:25
  • msg #18

Re: COMMENT THREAD 2

Further, a magic using character of any type can use scroll spells higher than the level he can actually cast, with a 25% chance of failure per level above, minus 10% per point of wisdom over 12.  (This does not apply unless the person can actually cast spells: for example, a 7th level ranger cannot use any scrolls, but an 8th level ranger could.)


So, even though Raise Dead is two spell levels above my own, I can still cast it with a 0% chance of failure (not counting the resurrection success thing)? Since 2 levels is 50%, but I have 17 wisdom which is 5 above 12, thus evening out.
Adaran Swiftshadow
player, 2552 posts
THAC0: 17 Melee/12 Ranged
AC: 4 (Dex, Leather)
Fri 1 Jul 2011
at 19:38
  • msg #19

Re: COMMENT THREAD 2

Kahan Singh:
I would just like to ask that Adaran stop making these out of character comments about how people are playing their characters. Personally I find them just as offensive as he does when people say he's metagaming.

I only commented about it because Grizz's IC post included an OOC-ish narrative about Adaran's IC actions (without actually saying it OOC) that in my opinion misrepresents the situation and more or less points a finger at Adaran as abandoning his companion in a fight. I brought up the fact that Grizz didn't have to engage the soulfeeder in the first place and that the soulfeeder has been focused on attacking the enemy dwarf in order to establish that Adaran really isn't "leaving him with a hostile demon". I'm not criticizing the way the player is playing Grizz, just taking issue with the narrative about Adaran's actions. That was the basis and context for my out of character comment.

Further, when you say "stop making these out of character comments about how people are playing their characters", that makes it sound like I've been constantly making "these" sorts of comments about people's posts in a plural sense, which is not true, and once again misrepresents my posts. And lastly, I could point out examples of you yourself making out of character criticisms and less-than-friendly remarks about my IC posts (and more specifically about the way I roleplay Adaran) if I chose to. I won't because I see no reason to revisit those tangents now, but in context it makes your above statement extremely hypocritical. So I would ask that all of us simply refrain from OOC and narrative criticisms about each other from now on.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:40, Fri 01 July 2011.
Kahan Singh
player, 917 posts
Fri 1 Jul 2011
at 19:41
  • msg #20

Re: COMMENT THREAD 2

I, too, could point out at least a few more comments you've made, most of which I can remember were aimed at me, usually about healing or spell use. But I agree, it's best to just stop then let it escalate (like we usually do).
Heath
GM, 3490 posts
Sat 2 Jul 2011
at 01:14
  • msg #21

Re: COMMENT THREAD 2

To me, it simply looked like Adaran had forgotten there were still enemies around and engaging his friends, but if he says otherwise, that's fine.

Grizz's out of character comment was a friendly reminder from me -- yes, you may have guessed by now that I have taken over Grizz as an NPC, at least temporarily.  It wasn't meant as anything more.

The reason I say that is because if you read my "summary" post it may actually look like the battle is over, so I thought it might have been my fault.

And I didn't mean "metagaming" in a bad way.  Everyone metagames to some extent; it's all about perspective and seeing that you understand more about the situation than your character probably does.  For example, Grizz did not engage the soulfeeder to protect the dwarf, but to protect all of you from it once it defeats the dwarf, and to be ready to attack the dwarf if he wins.  Now he is locked in combat whether he wants to be or not.  Your characters would probably notice that.  But how they react is up to them...
Heath
GM, 3491 posts
Sat 2 Jul 2011
at 01:16
  • msg #22

Re: COMMENT THREAD 2

Kahan Singh:
So, even though Raise Dead is two spell levels above my own, I can still cast it with a 0% chance of failure (not counting the resurrection success thing)? Since 2 levels is 50%, but I have 17 wisdom which is 5 above 12, thus evening out.

Yes, that's right.  He can cast it from a scroll and a mage could scribe it into his spellbook, but he cannot use it outside the scroll (and a mage could not use it straight from his spellbook until he was at a level to use it properly).
Adaran Swiftshadow
player, 2553 posts
THAC0: 17 Melee/12 Ranged
AC: 4 (Dex, Leather)
Tue 5 Jul 2011
at 19:52
  • msg #23

Re: COMMENT THREAD 2

It's not that Adaran "forgot" there are still enemies around engaging his friends, it's that in his perspective, the two remaining enemies are too preoccupied fighting each other to attack his friends - for the time being. That may change now that Grizz is attacking the soulfeeder, but just as you pointed out that characters don't always perceive everything or understand what's going on as well as we do, Adaran didn't expect Grizz to engage the soulfeeder after he told him and Grung to let the dwarf handle it - and was in such a hurry to get moving that he didn't keep his eyes on Grizz to make sure he listened to him.
Adaran Swiftshadow
player, 2554 posts
THAC0: 17 Melee/12 Ranged
AC: 4 (Dex, Leather)
Tue 5 Jul 2011
at 22:14
  • msg #24

Re: COMMENT THREAD 2

Heath:
The dwarf says, "Tarimar claims you are orc-friends and that you bear their medallions."

Ironically, Borimer is now the only one with an orc medallion (hidden under his armor I imagine). The only other character who had one is Marcus, and he of course is dead in the portable hole. Draaz, Adaran, and Kahan joined the group after Borimer and Marcus had been awarded the medallions, and I don't think Grizz or Grung ever had one either.
Heath
GM, 3493 posts
Tue 5 Jul 2011
at 22:52
  • msg #25

Re: COMMENT THREAD 2

Guilty by association, I guess.

You weren't around, but in a previous adventure, they named their group, so I'm assuming anyone associated with the group gets the same assumptions placed against them regarding the medallions.
Adaran Swiftshadow
player, 2555 posts
THAC0: 17 Melee/12 Ranged
AC: 4 (Dex, Leather)
Tue 5 Jul 2011
at 23:12
  • msg #26

Re: COMMENT THREAD 2

Well, the "group" in question is really just Borimer at this point. ;) Prior to the rest of us coming in, "The Jesters" were Borimer, Marcus, and some other characters who are now either dead or no longer around. So I guess we're all guilty by association with Borimer. ;)
Heath
GM, 3495 posts
Tue 5 Jul 2011
at 23:15
  • msg #27

Re: COMMENT THREAD 2

If there's anything your characters wanted to do besides get the earthrocs ready to go ASAP, then you can have them do it.

My last post was to get to the next part without delay, assuming everyone is pitching in to get the earthrocs saddled and harnessed and Prump ready to go.  Other actions will cause a delay which I will figure into the following round.

I also assume all equipment, weapons, and Maellarean's things were also gathered in that time.
Borimer
player, 1603 posts
Ac 2 / 3 / 7
Thac0 14
Wed 6 Jul 2011
at 00:43
  • msg #28

Re: COMMENT THREAD 2

how did we finally decide on doing the healing spells?
Adaran Swiftshadow
player, 2556 posts
THAC0: 17 Melee/12 Ranged
AC: 4 (Dex, Leather)
Wed 6 Jul 2011
at 00:46
  • msg #29

Re: COMMENT THREAD 2

Same as before.
Borimer
player, 1604 posts
Ac 2 / 3 / 7
Thac0 14
Wed 6 Jul 2011
at 00:49
  • msg #30

Re: COMMENT THREAD 2

so 2 clw's would be (25% of 70 hp x 2) = 35 hit points of healing? would this take borimer to 47?
Adaran Swiftshadow
player, 2557 posts
THAC0: 17 Melee/12 Ranged
AC: 4 (Dex, Leather)
Wed 6 Jul 2011
at 00:54
  • msg #31

Re: COMMENT THREAD 2

44 actually. You're currently at 8, so the first CLW would bring you to 26 and the second would raise you to 44. Grung would be healed to 30/60.
Adaran Swiftshadow
player, 2558 posts
THAC0: 17 Melee/12 Ranged
AC: 4 (Dex, Leather)
Wed 6 Jul 2011
at 01:09
  • msg #32

Re: COMMENT THREAD 2

Character Statistics updated as of ROUND 6:

Hit Points
Borimer:   8/70 (speed halved and -3 to attacks and saving throws for 3 Turns)
Marcus:  -10/60 (dead, poisoned*, pre-drowning, 1/2 Constitution)
Draaz:   -10/20 (dead, Critical Failure on resurrection)
Adaran:   25/42
Kahan:    24/54
Grizz:    35/66
Grung:    15/60 (speed halved and -3 to attacks and saving throws for 3 Turns)


Ammunition
Borimer: 10 sheaf arrows, 3 sheaf arrows +1 (unclaimed)
Adaran:   5 sheaf arrows +1 (unclaimed), 10 flight arrows +1 (unclaimed)
Kahan:    6 sling bullets
Grizz:   Javelin +1 (unclaimed)
Grung:   Hand axe


Fired Shots
Borimer:  2 sheaf arrows (on beach), 4 sheaf arrows +1 (1 in winged demon, 3 lost in forest)
Marcus:   0
Draaz:    0
Adaran:   0
Kahan:    0
Grizz:    0
Grung:    0

This message was last edited by the player at 01:10, Wed 06 July 2011.
Borimer
player, 1605 posts
Ac 2 / 3 / 7
Thac0 14
Wed 6 Jul 2011
at 01:39
  • msg #33

Re: COMMENT THREAD 2

Adaran Swiftshadow:
44 actually. You're currently at 8, so the first CLW would bring you to 26 and the second would raise you to 44. Grung would be healed to 30/60.

k thx, 44/70 hp then with kahan's 2nd clw
Kahan Singh
player, 919 posts
Thu 7 Jul 2011
at 18:01
  • msg #34

Re: COMMENT THREAD 2

So I forget, we roll for new HP right?
Borimer
player, 1608 posts
Ac 2 / 3 / 7
Thac0 14
Thu 7 Jul 2011
at 18:11
  • msg #35

Re: COMMENT THREAD 2

i believe you get max hp
Borimer
player, 1609 posts
Ac 2 / 3 / 7
Thac0 14
Thu 7 Jul 2011
at 18:18
  • msg #36

Re: COMMENT THREAD 2

will we have time before the invasion to identify and divide our treasure? we will need it for the upcoming battle, and its something we could have done possibly the night before or in the morning
Heath
GM, 3499 posts
Thu 7 Jul 2011
at 18:28
  • msg #37

Re: COMMENT THREAD 2

Yes.  You will have one day in which to do all those things, including converse with the dwarves about the state of things.

And yes, you always take max hp when you level up.
Kahan Singh
player, 920 posts
Thu 7 Jul 2011
at 18:42
  • msg #38

Re: COMMENT THREAD 2

Cool, now I've got 63 HP and a 16 Thac0. I'm almost useful in combat! :D
Adaran Swiftshadow
player, 2560 posts
THAC0: 17 Melee/12 Ranged
AC: 4 (Dex, Leather)
Fri 8 Jul 2011
at 02:49
  • msg #39

Re: COMMENT THREAD 2

Kahan Singh:
I have to assume the weapons they would provide us will be mundane?

I believe when Heath says "free weapon access", he is probably referring to the dwarves lifting their restriction on weapons being taken into the compound, since everyone had best be prepared for an assault by the orcs.

Kahan Singh:
Kahan will attempt to find a priest who can help revive his friends without having to waste his scrolls, especially for Draaz, since he already failed an attempt at being brought back.

Actually, not only did he fail his resurrection survival roll, he got a Critical Miss, and the rules state that even a normal failure means nothing short of divine intervention can bring a character back to life. Not to mention elves supposedly can't be raised from death anyway since they allegedly have no souls... ;) But I think Heath may have (justifiably) overruled that particular rule since it's utterly absurd.

By the way guys, don't forget to add your +10% XP bonuses for 16+ Class Attributes (which I think all of us qualify for)! Heath doesn't include these bonuses in the XP totals he hands out so you need to remember to factor it in whenever you are awarded XP.
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